Debate Over Gay
17, 2006 - 21:00 ET
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: And the Golden Globe goes to "Brokeback
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: "Brokeback Mountain."
CLINT EASTWOOD, ACTOR: "Brokeback Mountain."
DENZEL WASHINGTON, ACTOR: "Brokeback Mountain."
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LARRY KING, CNN HOST: Tonight, the debate over gay love and gay
marriage heats up after "Brokeback Mountain's" big night at the
Golden Globes. We'll get into it with conservative radio host Janet
Parshall; also joining us the openly gay actor Chad Allen; R. Albert
Mohler, president of the Southern Baptist Theological Seminary; and
Guy Padgett, openly gay former mayor of Casper, Wyoming, the city
where Matthew Shepard was murdered for being gay and the state where
"Brokeback Mountain" is set. It's all next on LARRY KING LIVE.
An extraordinary movie opened. It dealt with gay cowboys who also
got married and had children. It might be called bisexual cowboys,
an intense love story based on a story originally in "The New
Yorker." It is favored to win the Oscar on that heralded night.
Janet Parshall, did you see the film? If so, what did you think of
PARSHALL, RADIO HOST "JANET PARSHALL'S AMERICA": No, I didn't see
the film and I'm not at all surprised that out of seven nominations
Brokeback walked away with four and some might say that's an
indication of what the Oscar ceremonies might look like later on
KING: Why would you comment on it if you haven't seen it?
PARSHALL: Well, I'm interested in all of the buzz around the film.
I'm not the least bit surprised that we're hearing so much chatter.
After all, I think what we're witnessing, Larry, is the
homosexualizing of America.
We've got the Book of Daniel with a gay theme and we've got Will and
Grace with a gay theme and we're trying to get people, like me,
people of faith who happen to believe that any sex outside of
marriage, heterosexual or homosexual marriage, is wrong to try to
somehow tolerate and even more importantly accept that lifestyle.
KING: Don't you think you might learn more by looking at it rather
than looking away from it?
PARSHALL: No, I don't think so. In fact, let me tell you something
about Ang Lee. He's a brilliant film director. I'll bet if he found
a really good property dealing with, oh let's say polygamy, I bet he
could tap into the human heart. I bet he could make people cry. I
bet he could pull away the kinds of emotions that people allegedly
get after they walk out of this film.
And would it really be about getting us to look at polygamy and
accepting it or would it really be about an effective director who
knows how to use a particular art form?
KING: Chad Allen, did you see it?
CHAD ALLEN, OPENLY GAY ACTOR: I did absolutely and it's an
incredible film and I think it's being criticized across the board
by conservative critics and by liberal critics alike as a great
film. That's exactly what it is. It's a love story.
KING: Many conservative critics love it.
ALLEN: Love it. Sometimes begrudgingly they love it because they'll
say "You know what, I may not even agree that it's good for America
but I think it's a great film." You know Ang Lee is not a gay
director. He took this film and I read a great article where he said
he took this film because he wanted to find a new angle from which
to tell the love story.
It's been told so many times he wanted to find a new way to tell it.
This is one way that it hadn't been told yet and he dove into it. I
think it's an incredible feature.
KING: There's no explicit sex in it.
KING: In fact, the only come on scene is between a man and a woman
at the rodeo.
ALLEN: Well, I mean there is -- there is a fantastic shocking sex
scene that happens right off the bat but at least you know where he
KING: Yes, but it's not explicit.
ALLEN: And in fact it took me and what happened with me was I saw it
and I went, oh no, I hope they're not going to make a movie about
that. And then you watch these two guys fall in love and that's
where the story is.
KING: Yes. Reverend Mohler, have you seen it?
R. ALBERT MOHLER, JR., PRESIDENT, SOUTHERN BAPTIST THEOLOGICAL
SEMINARY: I've not seen the movie, Larry, and that's a matter of
decision, not just a matter of chance. Like others, I don't feel any
need to see the movie. I have read the screenplay. I know the short
story and, of course, I know what the movie is about because it's
out there so much in the media.
That's the main issue. I am not a movie critic. I really can't speak
to the cinematography. I can just speak to what the cultural meaning
of this film is and why I see it as a great challenge.
KING: Didn't the short story move you at all?
MOHLER: Well, no, actually...
KING: For example, you're a reverend, didn't you have some
compassion for what happened to the younger one of the two?
MOHLER: Well, absolutely. You have to feel compassion when anyone
feels pain and when anyone goes through that kind of struggle. But,
you know, I really am horrified to think about where that story
You know my main concern, Larry, is not with the gospel of
heterosexuality, even though I think that's very important. It's
with the gospel of Jesus Christ and what I find lacking in the
movie, the screenplay and in the short story is any resolution that
really brings these persons to know why they were created and how
God really intends them to live and how they would find their
greatest satisfaction in living just as God had intended them for
KING: Does it disturb you that apparently there's no record of
Christ having had a heterosexual relationship?
MOHLER: No, as a matter of fact, Christ was single, celibate and yet
he had a lot to say about sex. He normalized marriage and said that
marriage is absolutely normative and, you know, even with a woman
caught in adultery he said "Go and sin no more."
And there's no doubt that the Christian gospel, the gospels of
Matthew, Mark, Luke and John and the entirety of the New Testament
present a comprehensive celebration of marital sex as one of God's
greatest gifts but also as a gift that has to be kept within the
boundaries that God has given us and that is heterosexual marriage.